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[Lee Adler]

The economy will expand if you believe it is expanding--because you'll be "animal spirited" into buying a lot of stuff on credit that you can't afford. It all boils down to perception--that's the insight at the heart of the Grand Game of Percept...

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[qqqbear]

Actually what is wanted is the right mix of "animal spirits".
And all sorts of folks have their own ideas as to what that mix should be

Few, and you become Japan. Disinflation.
Too many, and.........

(Who else has an economy that is 70% consumption?)

[HYPERTlGER]

Yes as long as you think the FED has the power to set rates...You all will think they do.

Yes you could raise rates...If you desired the supporting volume to dry up sooner rater than later...

Like you have slaves working at maximum potential producing 3% yield and you scream double...the savers demand double...and then begin whipping their backs...and they produce double...but then they quickly become exhausted and slow then stop and can only produce 1%...and it doesn't matter how much you scream and whip...you are forced to reduce you demands.

But that is not enough and you are then forced to print money to make up the difference...You call that quantative easing...

there is the BS economics taught in Universities...then there is real economics...

It's all a game...If you live off the slaves...then you want to milk them as long as possible...that is what Bretton woods was...a scheme invented by rich people to milk the world.

But all those being milked can't find out...because if you did...You all would try to resist.

And then the scheme would collapse in the blink of an eye...

Of course once the slaves have been milked dry...it will all collapse anyways...

So you can choose to wake at any time before you reach the point where you are forced to...or just continue enjoying the deam you are awake until you are forced to wake up.

Like all the slaves of Greece did...ring ring ring...time to wake up an die idiots...

What is that?

It's money?

What does it do?

Well once you have trained a newborn amimal to believe it is their messiah...You can use it to manipulate the animals to slave till the day they die....To sacrifice their existance for you.

That is perception management.

As long as you keep people ignorant of Truth...They don't know what Truth is...and they will then speculate as to what is right and wrong forever and ever.

You encourage people to be free and dumb.

To fight for freedumb.

[SuperCycleBear]

HYPERTlGER, on 16 February 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Yes as long as you think the FED has the power to set rates...You all will think they do.

Yes you could raise rates...If you desired the supporting volume to dry up sooner rater than later...

Like you have slaves working at maximum potential producing 3% yield and you scream double...the savers demand double...and then begin whipping their backs...and they produce double...but then they quickly become exhausted and slow then stop and can only produce 1%...and it doesn't matter how much you scream and whip...you are forced to reduce you demands.

But that is not enough and you are then forced to print money to make up the difference...You call that quantative easing...

there is the BS economics taught in Universities...then there is real economics...

It's all a game...If you live off the slaves...then you want to milk them as long as possible...that is what Bretton woods was...a scheme invented by rich people to milk the world.

But all those being milked can't find out...because if you did...You all would try to resist.

And then the scheme would collapse in the blink of an eye...

Of course once the slaves have been milked dry...it will all collapse anyways...

So you can choose to wake at any time before you reach the point where you are forced to...or just continue enjoying the deam you are awake until you are forced to wake up.

Like all the slaves of Greece did...ring ring ring...time to wake up an die idiots...

What is that?

It's money?

What does it do?

Well once you have trained a newborn amimal to believe it is their messiah...You can use it to manipulate the animals to slave till the day they die....To sacrifice their existance for you.

That is perception management.

As long as you keep people ignorant of Truth...They don't know what Truth is...and they will then speculate as to what is right and wrong forever and ever.

You encourage people to be free and dumb.

To fight for freedumb.

Offensive, bigoted, prejudiced, deluded drivel.

[HYPERTlGER]

Japan?

has been buying US Dollars to sustain themselves all these decades...sorry but there is zero way the USA could do what Japan is doing.

Japan buys US Dollars...to weaken the Yen so that Japanese exports to the USA are affordable...

Otherwise Japanese exports to the USA would be unaffordable and the massive flow of US Dollars to Japan to sustain their economy would dry up and they would implode.

As far as consumption economies go...

The entire G20 is basically based on consumption...

The entire global system is absolute capitalistic...or based on taking more than it gives to sustain it's continued existance or expansion.

Every economic zone on Earth is living beyond it's means...

Has been for centuries...

The instant you begin consuming more than you produce...the clock starts ticking...and when you run out...the alarm wakes you all up from the dream you all were enjoying that you were awake...into the nightmare of reality.

That is all that is happening...the logical conclusion of the take more than you give equation is being reached...

Once you choose to take more than you give to sustain your existance...you must postpone arrival at the logical conclusion for as long as possible to avoid it.

Eventualy the power required to postpone the inevitable becomes infinite and since it's impossible to obtain infinite power...you are forced to accept what you have been attempting to avoid accepting all along.

Look out into the universe and that is what is behind the structure of it...infinite power is what forces you all to percieve what you percieve.

Whether you desire to or not...you all are going to be forced to accept what you refuse to...it's inevitable.

[HYPERTlGER]

Sorry...You are the one that finds Truth a threat to your cherished delusions.

I've basically blown your beliefs out of the water completely totally an utterly...You are suffering a typical drone immune response.

You think that ignorance is a virtue.

Point out why you are offended and I will offend you with more Truth.

Top = master

middle = servant

bottom = slave.

the top or master employs the bottom or slaves to supply the top with the maximum compensation for the minimum compensation.

the difference between the minimum and the maximum is the yield the top or master lives off off...and the servants as well...

That is how absolute capitalist economics has worked for all of recorded history as far as I can tell...

In evey so called civilization I've studied...there are mountains and mountains of evidence that would have to be ignored to arrive at a different logcial conclusion...or what you think is a logical conclusion...a reasonable assumption...which is the basis of belief.

SORRY...

Of course if you are ignorant of this...Like suffering from social engineering...or perception management...you will think differently.

Nothing I can do about that...

Just as there is zero you will be able to do to stop me from knowing what I know...There is zero way for me to stop you from thinking what you think.

I will have to just put up with you flipping out like Rumplestiltskin...

[SuperCycleBear]

"Once you choose to take more than you give to sustain your existance (sic)...you must postpone arrival at the logical conclusion for as long as possible to avoid it."

On whose measure is the "taking more than you give" made? Yours? Your subjective value judgments are not a basis upon which the universe revolves and evolves for anyone other than you. Your ego is attempting to assert itself beyond its normal mode of operation. Just to clarify, your ego is the center of your consciousness, not anyone else's, despite its insistence otherwise.

How does one grow without taking in more? By dying? Is that the logical conclusion you go on and on about? The ego finds it hard to come to terms with its death, maybe you should meditate on that.

"Eventualy (sic) the power required to postpone the inevitable becomes infinite and since it's impossible to obtain infinite power...you are forced to accept what you have been attempting to avoid accepting all along."

Death? That cannot be avoided for our egos. But life goes on and is unbridled and infinitely creative and unknowable.

"Look out into the universe and that is what is behind the structure of it...infinite power is what forces you all to percieve (sic) what you percieve (sic)."

The universe is essentially uncertain and unknowable at its core. You talk about Truth as if it is knowable and certain and bound by logic. Certainty and knowledge are the consequences of faith, which is, by definition, beyond logic.

[HYPERTlGER]

Truth is knowable.

The very first lie a liar want's you to believe is that Truth is unknowable...

What is a liar?

A liar is one who believes that lies are more powerful than Truth...

Because that is the first lie a liar tells themselves.

Sorry but lies derive the power they require to sustain their existance from Truth.

Lies are constructs...structures and at the foundation of all lies is Truth.

Truth is the source of power...Lies are consumers of power.

Lies take more power than they give to sustain their existance....Lies are attempting to become Truth..to become real...Truth is real...lies are not.

Like if you promote the belief that chopping down trees faster than they regrow is the path to salvation...or Truth.

your lie which you are claiming is Truth will eventually be revealed when it requires Truth to sustain it's continued existance.

when the trees run out...your pathetic religion...goes poof.

Your lie that taking more than you give is the path to salvation is revealed to be a lie once the lie requires Truth to sustain it's existance.

Lies can only ever provide a temporary prosperity.

Lies take more power than they give until they require infinite power to sustain their existance...the only source of such power is Truth.

Once a lie masqurading as Truth requires infinite power to sustain it's existance...that is revelation...The lie is revealed and self destructs.

Your empire that was being sustained by taking more than you give...implodes to oblivion...Lets say there are enough trees or power to sustain it for 300 years...then you all get to believe a lie is Truth for 300 years...and then poof...that delusion is shattered.

It is why the global absolute capitalist system is collapsing.

Because it was a lie...that you all despite your sincere or mindless sacrifices can no longer supply enough power to sustain and it's collapsing all around you.

Truth does not change..it is infinite and indestructible.

Your perceptions can and do...they are finite and fragile.

In order for perception management to work...the target must be ignorant of Truth.

It's very hard to fool someone that knows Truth.

That's the problem...You can't fool me.

All life takes more than it gives to sustain itself in the Universe...

Everything in and including the Universe itself take more than it gives to sustain it's existance.

Because life and everything in the Universe is ignorant of Truth...by default.

Bacteria and water flowing in rivers to the sea follow the path of least resistance...or path of ignorance by default...even electricty...

You on the other hand have to choose to be ignorant...The being that is pretending to be human...the lie attempting to be Truth

People have to choose to be ignorant.

But you don't think you are ignorant.

Like I said.

Just as there is zero you will be able to do to stop me from knowing what I know...There is zero way for me to stop you from thinking what you think.

Until I supply your demand...You will never be satisfied.

Your demand as an absolute capitalist is for more than you give.

profit or yield...and in an argument which is a war or a power struggle the profit or yield is victory.

There is a whole planet of people to use and abuse for fun an profit...but I'm special obviously.

So until I supply you with victory...You will demand that I supply it...it's your only desire...I can supply you with what you need...but you are not here to obtain what you need...which is defeat.

You claim that taking more than you give is the path to victory...and I have shown that the logcial conclusion of the take more than you give equation is defeat...everytime.

You will not stop until you become exhausted or get what you want.

Ego?

I'm nothing...Truth is what you are fighting and I'm just watching you do it.

that is basically what recorded history is a record of the fight against truth that you all continually lose over and over again.

until we reach teh logical conclusion and you all are forced to accept defeat...you all will think you are winning.

Of course life goes on...the survivors of the war against Truth are employed by the top which are not ignorant of Truth to start the war against Truth all over again...

Because like all the just think positive drones keep telling me...If at first you don't succeed defeating Truth...try try again.

There is never a lasting victory over lies while the war against Truth has no exit strategy and always ends in defeat.

In an Absolute capitalist system...Those that know rule over those that don't know...Ignorance of Truth must be maintained.

In a Responsible capitalist system...Those that know help those that don't know...Knowledge of Truth must be sustained.

The belief that Truth is unknowable is an obvious symptom of social engineering or perception management.

If you are ignorant of Truth...all you can do is spend your existance spculating as to what is going on...mesmerized and enthralled by the chaos of order...having as much control over your destiny as a leaf blowing around in a hurricane.

"Simplicity adds up to the multiplication of complexity which is then divided unequally and subtracted to obtain the required yield of power the absolute capitalists want to manipulate the Universe how they desire."

Until the logical conclusion of the Absolute capitalistic equation is reached...Then you all can't get what you want and are forced to accept what you need...which in the case of chopping down trees faster than they regrow...is nothing...once the trees run out.

What is it that you think I have?

What are you trying to get?

The solution or logical conclusion of the take more than you give equation is implosion once you all can no longer supply the demand for power the equation requires to postpone arrival at the logical conclusion any longer.

In crude laymans terms...the entire system you all depend upon and have fallen deeply in love with to sustain your egos is f ed in the head.

That is what being free of Sigmond Freud's perception management allows me to see with crystal clarity.

[SuperCycleBear]

It was Jung actually... but I don't know why I bother.

As you say, you are beyond help as you cannot be "fooled". Your delusion is so deep and ingrained that everyone else who engages in debate with you MUST be part of a conspiracy to "fool" you. Such thoughts are those of an individual who suffers from paranoia, I believe. BICBW and that is the difference. Is there anyone else on the planet who also can access Truth, apart from you?

I accept that you believe you have direct access to Truth and that I am ignorant, but at least two conundrums remain.

Why you cannot spell even with your access to "Truth" and why I cannot hit the ignore button for your posts.

[HYPERTlGER]

Point out the lies I'm telling...You can't...

My wife was helping to train some nurses...She told them to go to teh dryin and get the sheets and bring them up to the room.

They never came back...so she eventually whent to the laundry room...and heard them talking inside...

She entered and asked...why they didn't get the sheets...and they said...the digital readout on the dryer said...In use...

They used that as an excuse to shut down and ass drag....Just like you are using spelling mistakes to hide behind.

Because I blew your beliefs out of the water and you are too weak and lazy to attempt to defend them...You just want me to go away somehow someway so you can get back to sleep to dream you are awake.

I don't use spell checkers...Because I'm not trying to hide spelling mistakes...Because then I can't find the diaper wetters like you...and when a person wets their diaper over spelling mistakes...that is a symptom of social engineering...that would be hidden if I used a spell checker...

So Truth is knowable.

Ignorance of Truth is the root of all evil.

Carl Jung was just a typical panderer that pandered to earn a living...He was an absolute capitalist that pandered to absolute capitalists.

Because I don't pander to you...or give you what you want...you are upset...when you don't give an absolute capitalist what they want...they become upset.

Especially absolute capitalists schooled in psychology...they really becoem perplexed when their mind tricks don't work.

The Universe is perfectly fair, everyone and everything gets what they and it deserve, and there is no hope.

Faith is a delusion...a belief...similar to hope.

I sure hope 1+1=2...see no hope...I have faith that 1+1=2...see no faith.

I know that 1+1=2

All the formal education you have recieved during your life was to further complicate and confuse you...sorry...It's designed to take you farther away from Truth...not bring you closer.

“The study of money (Power), above all other fields in economics, is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or to evade truth, not to reveal it.”--John Kenneth Galbraith Money: Whence it came, where it went - 1975, p15

In an absolute capitalist system those who know rule those that don't...Ignorance of Truth must be maintained...

Your formal education is designed so that you help in the maintenance of ignorance process...The belief that Truth is unknowable is a sure sign of the social engineering program.

From teh top looking down...the purpose of the social engineering institutions is to produce new absolute capitalist drones for the previously produced drones to exploit.

From the bottom looking up...you have been programed to percieve the social engineering apparatus differently...you are blind to the perspectives i can see...that is why you are ignorant of Truth.

The top is not going to ever reveal themselves or have a direct communication with any of you...You will just see the prices of food and fuel rise when the top wants all below to slave harder...to supply the top with more power.

Carl and Sigmond must keep their audience which is the direct supply of their income ignorant of Truth in order for their magick spells to work in order to extract the yield of power they desire.

I don't think Truth exists...I don't have faith that Truth exists...I don't hope Truth exists...I know Truth exists.

That is what logic dictates...

You mistake reason for logic.

Reasonable assumptions for logical conclusions....Lies and delusion for Truth.

[SuperCycleBear]

Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."


To know the world is to lose its mystery, and die. (But I guess you don't think there is any wisdom to be found in such ancient tomes being as they are a tool of oppression in your world view.)

Justify your poor use of English all you want by appealing to whatever short coming I might have (nice trick, it is my weakness I hide behind for something you do hmmmm!! delusional?) I just am of the opinion your argument would be easier to access and more persuasive, if you present it in the generally accepted protocols of language.

Your lies and truth are the constructs you impose on or draw from the world as your life has revealed to you. They are unique to you and you should marvel at that fact rather than seeing it as the only reality that everyone else must follow and accept. I say there is no top or master or bottom or slave in my world view, and you say I am ignorant of the truth. The Truth is we are all free to see the world through our own constructs and beliefs.

Quantum mechanics (which no doubt you see as another distraction from Truth because it disagrees with your world view) is the most accurate framework developed by humanity and at its core is fundamentally unknowable and uncertain and indeed shaped by our choices, opinions and beliefs. Our consciousness is inextricably linked to that uncertainty (teenage, enlightened or otherwise).

You say you are sitting and watching the collapse. Try participating in the world, it is better to be a player in the game than a spectator in the stands.

You remind me of the protagonist in The Beatles' "Fool on the Hill" who, while watching a beautiful sunset, doesn't see it but knows in his head the world is spinning around. Truth is in the experiencing of life, not "knowing" any Truth that is abstracted from that experience.

Beauty, love, ecstasy and agony trump logic, reason, knowledge and ignorance when it comes to truth. Your reduction of Truth to monetary and social hierarchies is base, heartless and demeaning of those things in life that truly define what it is to be alive. Maybe you should wake up, smell the roses and engage with life's experiences rather than piling umbrage on those you meet as you sit in the grandstand of life.

As Einstein said, "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted."